Changeset: 115465809
Bay Trail adj to remove unsigned, unlisted and unofficial extensions to listed trail. move western side to hobsons bay trail. other lorimer street adjustments
Closed by Diacritic
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (18303 en_AU) |
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source | Bing; Notes |
Discussion
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Comment from MichaelCollinson
Hi again Diacritic. Would you point me to the "official" definition of the Bay Trail? The southern end is sign posted with 3 sign posts (verified still there) as going under Pompei Bridge and links to Mordialloc Creek trail. You've moved it to terminate in the middle of a busy road junction and there is no signage there (also verified). I'd like to move it back for safety and routing but want to consult with you first. The ambivalence I see is that the portion under the bridge may formally belong to the Mordialloc Creek path.
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Comment from Diacritic
Hey Michael.
It was pretty confusing trying to establish the actual definition of the Bay Trail.
My starting point was the official government datasources (namely, VICNAMES and Vicmap Transport) which show the Bay Trail taking a sharp left at the Cenotaph and ending at Beach Road.
This is obviously different to the previous version of OSM, where Bay Trail extended all the way to the Mordialloc Creek Trail in George Woods Reserve (and across the punt, but that's not relevant to this! :))
I did a lot of googling, which didn't particularly help.
The Wikipedia article for the trail seems to think that the Bay Trail starts near Seaford railway station, but after checking the sources there I believe that the article conflates the formally gazetted "Bay Trail" with a network of trails that are connected across the bay (Seaford Wetlands, Mordi Creek, Dandy Creek, etc).
Most council publications or cycle routes didn't list the names of each trail, or at least didn't clearly show where each one started and ended.
Failing all that, I fell back on KartaView/Mapillary imagery. Nepean is too far away to capture any signage, and there was only two trails I could find on the footpath were six years old and facing the west, so would not have shown any sign on for those heading towards Mordialloc.
I'm very interested that there is a signpost that I might have missed; I guess the question then would turn to where Bay stops and the Mordialloc Creek trail starts?
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Comment from MichaelCollinson
Hi Diacritic,
I've just added the 3 signposts around Pompei Bridge. Each one points "Bay Trail" on one finger and "Mordialloc Creek" on the other. I suggest that we terminate the 2 trails at the eastern-most sign since that is "on the ground", safe, links the 2 trails, still clearly on the Bay Trail physical infrastructure and is closest to Vicmap source.FYI, I am cycling all the trails that you mention daily on my current work commute (Seaford-Cheltenham). Unfortunately I don't have a bracket to mount a phone for Kartaview capture; I'll see what I can do.
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Comment from Diacritic
That sounds like an excellent plan, thanks Michael :)
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