Changeset: 125123472
Outreau, Saint-Léonard amélioration du tracé des routes
Closed by Alexb60
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (17919 fr) |
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Discussion
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Comment from user_5589
So then we appear to have a mixture of good work and vandalism in this changeset and some of your other recent changesets.
In most cases the changes to the geometry of the streets are improvements. However what on earth you have done at the south-western approaches to the Pont de l'Entente Cordiale is beyond me. The most recent aerial imagery does not support the changes you have made. The IGN map does not support the changes you have made. Heck the Google Streetview imagery from June 2021 does not support the changes you have made. So why have you made those changes? If the IGN map supported them that would be one thing, but it doesn't.
Then we have the actual vandalism: mass removal of lanes:forward and lanes:backward tagging. That is valid tagging, so why did you remove it en masse? Consider Rue des Bergeronnettes for example. Not only did you thoroughly mess up your alteration of the geometry of the street by leaving multiple traffic sign tags formerly attached to the deleted ways in place as orphaned nodes, but you also removed lanes:foward=1 and lanes:backward=1 from the tagging for no legitimate reason.
There is one lane in the direction of the way. There is one lane against the direction of the way. Hence lanes:forward=1 and lanes:backward=1 is valid tagging. The road is obviously wide enough for two vehicles to pass each other.
Incidentally your vandalism of those tags will be vain. I will simply add them back over the next few days. Oh and yes that does include adding back lanes:foward to one-way streets as well.
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Comment from user_5589
Furthermore your mass deletion of traffic signs is also vandalism.
There is no excuse for mass deletion of valid tagging. STOP DOING IT.
Pour les français ici, il y a des vandalisme. Beaucoup de suppression en masse. C'est pas acceptable. Arrêtez maintenant!
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Comment from Alexb60
To the south-west of the Entente Cordiale bridge, the modifications were first made by another user, I only improved and corrected them because there were some problems. In this area there has been a lot of work, so it is normal that IGN maps and Google StreetView images dating from 2021 no longer support the map.
For the lane tags, many of them report problems in Osmose, I only fixed them and prevented others from appearing. Additionally, there are also "type=restriction" relation on one-way streets which are not needed.
I just wanted to improve the map, I didn't intend to vandalize it.
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Comment from user_5589
Safe to say that Osmose and I have a fundamental disagreement about lanes:forward as a tag.
They flag it is as invalid tagging if used on a one-way street. It can perhaps legitimately be argued to be redundant tagging. That is not the same as invalid tagging.
Osmose can be useful, but it needs to be treated more carefully as a QA tool than some others. The maintainers have some rather strange ideas about validity of tagging.
Some of your work was indeed improvements. Making geometries better. Improving tagging. However you removed a great deal of validly tagged material and destroyed detail. For example consider Rue de la Gare meeting Rue du Docteur Brousse. It's very clearly marked there that there's a turning restriction. Turning out of Rue de la Gare you can only go right, presumably because of the proximity to the roundabout allowing easy switching of direction on Rue du Docteur Brousse. Your merging of the ways there meant that turn restriction's presence was lost. That merging of ways also meant that the transit of Rue de la Gare across some bricks in between two asphalt-surfaced sections was also lost. You also merged a lot of sections of brick surface where Rue du Docteur Brousse goes across pedestrian crossings. Those are not just painted onto the road, but they are actually brick. Hence the surface of that section of road being marked as paving stones where appropriate.
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- 1087579526, v1
- 1087579527, v1
- 1087579528, v1
- Rocade Sud de Boulogne (1087579529), v1
- 1087579530, v1
- 1087579531, v1
- 1087579532, v1
- Boulevard de la Liane (1087579533), v1
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- Rue Camille Desmoulins (1087579535), v1
- Rue Camille Desmoulins (1087579536), v1
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- D 901 (26444551), v31
- 27520396, v24
- D 901 (27520522), v25
- D 901 (27520555), v19
- Boulevard de la Liane (27520756), v26
- N 1 (27520797), v28
- 41778752, v50
Relations (20)
- Route nationale française N 1 (1668082), v42
- E → Saint-Martin-Boulogne – Wicardenne (10758600), v70
- E → Saint-Étienne-au-Mont – Les Quesnelets (10758601), v55
- Édouard Vaillant (10769563), v3
- G Léo Delibes → Station Liane (10790232), v36
- G → Saint-Léonard – Léo Delibes (10790233), v30
- G Isques → Station Liane (10794912), v47
- G → Isques – Le Village (10794913), v50
- G Hesdin → Station Liane via Bertrand Crouy (10796953), v65
- G → Hesdin-l'Abbé – Les Écoles (10796954), v63
- H → Station Liane (10798478), v48
- H → Le Portel – Alprech (10798479), v43
- M → Saint-Léonard – Château de Pont-de-Briques (10829323), v39
- G Hesdin → Station Liane (12220454), v58
- G Léo Delibes → Station Liane via Bertrand Crouy (12220455), v26
- Route nationale française N 416 (12643773), v3
- FR:62 D 940 (12652558), v28
- FR:62 D 52 (12652572), v23
- FR:62 D 235 (12664762), v26
- FR:62 D 901E3 (12664840), v12
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