Changeset: 147993349
should be primary by default as US and IL route
Closed by nickvet419
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Discussion
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Comment from jcarlson
i'm trying to be understanding, but please revert this.
the classifications in this area is the result of discussion consensus among mappers who live and work in this area.
we don't need a blanket policy blindly applied to highways based on us / state routes.
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Comment from nickvet419
why would the State route be downgraded for this section?
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Comment from jcarlson
because it literally is not the primary route between these locations. whether you want to go by usage or by physical characteristics, orchard road is the main route by which folks get north and south.
same goes for the stretch of US 34 you upgraded. east of Orchard to the river, it's a two lane road with hardly any shoulder, and only access to a handful of businesses and residential driveways; locals largely do not use it as a primary route, they use 71.
and lastly, and most importantly: there was actually local consensus on this. you drop out of nowhere to impose your statewide defaults, which you stated elsewhere could change based on local conditions, and i'm telling you there are local conditions that local mappers have agreed upon.
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Comment from nickvet419
IDOT designated it as a state route, Part of it is also a US route that runs though Oswego, So it is a primary route designated by those government organizations. as a Functional Classification even IDOT has it marked as primary south of US30. Looking at google maps, it looks like a pretty popular route as I see many cars using it when street view went though. Even routing services follow 34 as a primary route or recommend using 31 to 30 to get though the area.
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Comment from jcarlson
so you're going to follow IDOT's classification, then? you've got a lot of US routes that need downgrading, then. lots of 34, 52, 6 are shown as minor arterials by IDOT.
or you're going to use street view?
compare
- US 34 east of orchard (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6831415,-88.3613472,3a,75y,273.26h,88.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s46RDUd-Zi62Oy7mamQ3XWg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
- IL 31 north of Oswego (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6905577,-88.3551076,3a,60y,11.39h,88.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqeLC1GolJYhGDE1v4kzmFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
- Orchard (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6926215,-88.3803817,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQ7_gAHd9LcqrgzDULQApeQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)by what measure should these three roads be classed the same? your classification is not consistent on physical characteristics, nor IDOT classification, nor us / state route status, nor local opinion.
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Comment from nickvet419
maybe talk with the state officials to get US34 and IL31 rerouted to more used roads???
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Comment from Meagan B
that's your solution? instead of collaborating with local mappers on an area you know nothing about, your answer is to tell us to talk to the state?
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Comment from jcarlson
you haven't answered the question.
by what measure is your classification system consistent?
- South Lake Street (21828950), v20
- South Lake Street (21828952), v13
- West Lake Street (21829640), v22
- IL 31 (50331632), v23
- IL 31 (58660592), v15
- IL 31 (58660600), v13
- IL 31 (128032838), v8
- IL 31 (128032864), v11
- South Lake Street (128033024), v15
- West Lake Street (128033092), v11
- 185101505, v4
- 185101507, v5
- South Lake Street (363617416), v7
- South Lake Street (363617417), v8
- South Lake Street (363617419), v6
- 363617423, v3
- 363617424, v3
- 363617425, v3
- 363617426, v3
- West Lake Street (368177124), v6
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