Changeset: 111082334
changed ferry terminal access from customers->permit to fix the AC Transit Trip Planner, fix/standardize ferry operator/network names to consistently use same+actual names, other minor changes
Closed by oba510
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (16731 en) |
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source | Bing; survey |
Discussion
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Comment from jmilot
> changed ferry terminal access from customers->permit to fix the AC Transit Trip Planner,
Please, don't do that. The `permit` access tag doesn't describe correctly the true access to those ways. This 1) breaks the purpose of OpenStreetMap of being an independent platform and 2) actually breaks other third party software that actually respect the OSM specs.
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Comment from oba510
Hi jmilot,
This was discussed briefly here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:access#Access_only_for_ticketed_passengers.3F and here: https://old.reddit.com/r/openstreetmap/comments/pg4mxq/need_help_fixing_san_francisco_map/
access=customers has all of the same problems as access=permit in this situation. Any software that respects the access=customers tag will have issues routing across areas tagged with access=customers if the origin or destination is not nearby or linked in some way. This edit was not specifically for OpenTripPlanner - the access tagging was causing problems in every router I tried.
I personally don't feel like either customers or permit accurately reflects the real-world situation here and would rather just remove them (leaving bicycle=dismount) but didn't want to step on any toes.
In reality the access depends a lot on the day-to-day operations of the individual ferry operators; usually the gates are unlocked, sometimes they're only opened close to boarding; sometimes there are people checking tickets/clipper cards at the entrance, or only when passengers off-board, or not at all. Sometimes people line up on the dock itself long before boarding.
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