Changeset: 126624685
set network="National Rail" for National Rail routes in London
Closed by 小智智
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Discussion
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Comment from Claudius Henrichs
Hi,
Can you share why you updated network tag for Overground lines to National Rail? The smallest network these lines are part of seems to be London Overground even though this is a part of the larger National Rail network. I think it makes more sense to tag the more local network for these routes. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Overground -
Comment from 小智智
London Overground is no different from any other TOCs in the country with the exception that the operator doesn't have revenue risk and TfL keeps the marketing / branding.
If we should tag all Thameslink / South Western Railway / Greater Anglia / etc. lines as network="National Rail" we should also do it on London Overground as well. They are all ATOC members, operate to NRCoT, can be searched in National Rail journey planners and accept National Rail tickets.
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Comment from 小智智
London Overground should appear as brand="London Overground" instead, as it is what is shown at stations and on trains
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Comment from azakh-world
Conversely, National Rail is the trading name, so it's not a transport network, while London Overground is.
"If we should tag all Thameslink / ..."
I think no, we should not. Is there an agreement for that in GB OSM community? -
Comment from 小智智
I have heard from somewhere that the definition of a transport network can be defined as a set of routes which accept a common ticket. In such circumstances National Rail is clearly a network, however, the same argument can also be used to argue that London Underground and DLR, and also the rail services in the zones are a network as well so I doubt if this argument stands.
From my understanding that routes belong to a transport network should have their information delivered in a uniform way from a single official source as the authority, for example, all London Bus routes irrespective of their operators belong to a single network. This is the same of all National Rail routes as well irrespective if it is operated by GTR under one of its four brands, or if it is operated by Arriva Rail London under the brand of London Overground.
- Overground: Richmond - Stratford (112649), v190
- Overground: Romford → Upminster (141910), v35
- Thameslink: Luton <=> Sutton loop (168327), v125
- Overground: Gospel Oak → Barking Riverside (419512), v71
- Overground: Dalston Junction → West Croydon (660462), v134
- Overground: Dalston Junction → New Cross (660463), v101
- Overground: Highbury & Islington → Crystal Palace (959677), v138
- Overground: Euston → Watford Junction (1242272), v100
- Overground: Dalston Junction → Clapham Junction (2755611), v139
- Overground: Liverpool Street - Enfield Town (3208125), v82
- Great Northern: Peterborough => London King's Cross (express) (6368113), v24
- Great Northern: Peterborough => London King's Cross (ordinary) (6368114), v24
- Great Northern: London King's Cross => Peterborough (express) (6369579), v21
- Great Northern: London King's Cross => Peterborough (ordinary) (6369580), v23
- Great Northern: Cambridge => London King's Cross (ordinary) (6370443), v25
- Great Northern: London King's Cross => Cambridge (express) (6370444), v23
- Great Northern: London King's Cross => Cambridge (ordinary) (6370445), v24
- Great Northern: Cambridge => London King's Cross (express) (6370467), v24
- Elizabeth line: Heathrow Terminal 4 → Paddington (6375986), v30
- Overground: Stratford → Richmond (6413186), v35
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