Changeset: 78172369
Reverting some undiscussed international name changes to the status quo ante while discussion is ongoing. See https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3326 and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-December/thread.html#83609 .
Closed by SomeoneElse_Revert
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Discussion
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Comment from SomeoneElse_Revert
This changeset reverts some or all edits made in changesets 77792833, 77792963, 77845132, 77846537, 78060265, 78060463, 78062654, 78092765, 78114556, 78114723, 78117619, 78119568, 78119980, 78120187, 78120405, 78120597, 78157519, 78157601, 78157629, 78157656, 78157688, 78157739, 78171743.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
For the avoidance of doubt - this changeset doesn't mean that the DWG have "decided" that the previous "name" tags of all these objects are the best that they can be, but discussion is still ongoing, so let's let that continue.
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Comment from Tómas Ingi
Hi,
It appears that you accidentally reverted the recent addition of "name:is" to the Baltic sea. I have fixed that; just wanted to let you know.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
@Tómas Ingi - sorry about that - I see you've added it back now. Rather surprised that the revert script didn't discover that interstitial change, TBH.
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Comment from mariotomo
has in the meanwhile any position been taken? Europe has no 'name', while 'name' for Southern America is in a language hardly spoken in the area.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Hi Mario,
I believe that the last bit of list discussion that was kicked off by the "Esperanto" changes (which this reverted) was https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-February/thread.html#84258 . At the time, my impression was that there wasn't much consensus.
However, some of the examples here might be easier to solve than the general problem. You mention South America, and that's a good example - only two main languages, and regional forums exist with mappers from across the region in.
If people from talk-latam and OpenStreetMap Latam (and other similar places) said "we'd like the name tag for South America to be XYZ" I doubt people from elsewhere would object.
Best Regards,
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Comment from mariotomo
I mention South America because I'm living there and I know that English is a rather useless language in the area. the "Esperanto" changes to the 'name' for this node[place=continent] have been of three types: 1) changing name to Esperanto; 2) removing name; 3) changing name to bilingual Spanish-Portuguese. your group kept restoring option 0) name in English. I'll try to check with the community, if there's any prevailing opinion.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
You've said "your group kept restoring option 0) name in English", but for the avoidance of doubt, this is _not_ what this changeset did - it attempted to revert all changes in the listed changesets. 10 were successful; 20 had been edited by other mappers already. See https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/osm-deep-history/#/node/305640005 for an example of that.
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Comment from mariotomo
can you check my statement only limited to South America? thank you, from hand-held device.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
https://osm.mapki.com/history/node/36966069 shows who changed what and when. My only edit is this one which just reverts to the previous value from Esperanto
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